Doug Misicko - Revision history

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	Sometime before 2002, Misicko began using the pseudonym "Mesner". He also befriended Church of Satan member Shane Bugbee, who ran an independent press. Together they worked on a new edition of the virulently antisemitic, misogynistic, and white supremacist proto-fascist work ''[[Might Is Right]]'', which had formed the basis of the first section of Anton LaVey's book ''The Satanic Bible''.		Sometime before 2002, Misicko began using the pseudonym "Mesner". He also befriended Church of Satan member Shane Bugbee, who ran an independent press. Together they worked on a new edition of the virulently antisemitic, misogynistic, and white supremacist proto-fascist work ''[[Might Is Right]]'', which had formed the basis of the first section of Anton LaVey's book ''The Satanic Bible''.

	==Process Church of the Final ~~Judgement~~==		==Process Church of the Final Judgment==
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Maestro grandeur: /* Flat Earth Books */ adding Misicko claiming not to have written the books

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	==Flat Earth Books==		==Flat Earth Books==
	Under the name "Doug Mesner", ~~Misicko~~ wrote at least five books about Flat Earth theory, per GoodReads.com:<ref>[https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/14528814.Doug_Mesner GoodReads.com], author "Doug Mesner". An additional book, "The Satan Hunter: Volume 1" appears to have unrelated subject matter as a fiction novel.</ref>		Under the name "Doug Mesner", someone wrote at least five books about Flat Earth theory, per GoodReads.com:<ref>[https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/14528814.Doug_Mesner GoodReads.com], author "Doug Mesner". An additional book, "The Satan Hunter: Volume 1" appears to have unrelated subject matter as a fiction novel.</ref> However, as of 2021, Misicko denies having written them and claims it was a prank against him.<ref>[https://twitter.com/LucienGreaves/status/1392871350864433156 Twitter.com], 13 May 2021, ''It wasn't even somebody who happened to be named Doug Mesner. The flat earth episode was actually somebody trying to attribute flat-earth texts to me, but I had them pulled, & that dumb thing prank is years dead -- so it is suspect that this random idiot brings it up years later.'' </ref>
	*Flat Talk: Talking To Your Loved Ones About Flat Earth Theory<ref>[https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/27853992-flat-talk Flat Talk: Talking To Your Loved Ones About Flat Earth Theory]		*Flat Talk: Talking To Your Loved Ones About Flat Earth Theory<ref>[https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/27853992-flat-talk Flat Talk: Talking To Your Loved Ones About Flat Earth Theory]
	:Published: Sep. 19, 2015 (32 pages)		:Published: Sep. 19, 2015 (32 pages)

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	\| alias=Doug Mesner, Lucien Greaves, Mikoko Niikura, Konrad Josefsson, Val Riley		\| alias=Doug Mesner, Lucien Greaves, Mikoko Niikura, Konrad Josefsson, Val Riley, Neil Bricke (sic)

	\| occupation=owner of [[United Federation of Churches, LLC]], other corporations		\| occupation=owner of [[United Federation of Churches, LLC]], other corporations
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	== The Satanic Temple ==		== The Satanic Temple ==
	According to Professor Joseph Laycock, in March 2012, along with [[David Guinan]] and [[Cevin Soling]], Misicko organized a protest against then-Governor of Florida Rick Scott for a fictional organization called "The Satanic Temple", which later became an actual organization.<ref>''In March 2012, Florida governor Rick Scott signed into law a bill “allowing students to read ‘inspirational messages of their choosing’ at assemblies and sporting events”. In order to push back against what they viewed as a violation of the separation of church and state, three friends, Malcolm Jarry, Doug Mesner, and David Guinan, decided to stage a public rally for a fictional organization called The Satanic Temple, praising Scott for finally allowing Satanists a public voice. Other publicity stunts followed, but by this time a creed had been created and TST began to coalesce into a real organization.'' https://muse.jhu.edu/article/772858</ref> Further mock protests would follow, including the "Pink Mass", which took aim at the anti-LGBT+ practices of the Westboro Baptist Church,<ref>https://www.huffpost.com/entry/pink-mass-westboro-baptist-church-gay-satanists_n_3616642</ref> and the construction of a Baphomet monument in Detroit to compete with a 10 Commandments monument located on the grounds of the Oklahoma State Capitol.<ref>https://time.com/3972713/detroit-satanic-statue-baphomet/</ref><ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments_Monument_(Oklahoma_City)</ref> The monument was later relocated to a newly-purchased headquarters in Salem, MA in 2016 for permanent display to the public [citation needed], then briefly relocated again to compete with another 10 Commandments monument in Arkansas.<ref>https://apnews.com/article/1dfef6715487416eadfd08f36c7dbb4b</ref>		According to Professor Joseph Laycock, in March 2012, along with [[David Guinan]] and [[Cevin Soling]], Misicko organized a protest against then-Governor of Florida Rick Scott for a fictional organization called "The Satanic Temple", which later became an actual organization.<ref>''In March 2012, Florida governor Rick Scott signed into law a bill “allowing students to read ‘inspirational messages of their choosing’ at assemblies and sporting events”. In order to push back against what they viewed as a violation of the separation of church and state, three friends, Malcolm Jarry, Doug Mesner, and David Guinan, decided to stage a public rally for a fictional organization called The Satanic Temple, praising Scott for finally allowing Satanists a public voice. Other publicity stunts followed, but by this time a creed had been created and TST began to coalesce into a real organization.'' https://muse.jhu.edu/article/772858</ref> As the Penny Lane-directed film "[[Hail Satan?]]" showed, initially, another actor played the character of "Lucien Greaves" with Misicko using the pseudonym "Neil Bricke" when describing himself as the org's founder.<ref>''[https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9358044/ Hail Satan?]'' directed by Penny Lane, Release date: January 25, 2019</ref><ref>[https://www.tampabay.com/content/satanists-plan-rally-support-gov-scott/2104566/ TampaBay.com], ''Neil Bricke, founder of the Satanic Temple, will speak at the rally, Greaves said. "It's really difficult to say" how many Satanists will attend the rally, Greaves said. "We've gotten such a response, it's just impossible for me to know what that translates into," he said.'', Jan. 15, 2013. Initially, "Lucien Greaves" was played by a different person, so the pseudonym "Neil Bricke" was a reference to SMART founder Neil Brick, who Doug Misicko had previously feuded with.</ref><ref>[https://www.wpbf.com/article/satanists-to-rally-in-support-of-gov-rick-scott/1315730 WPBF.com], ''Satanists to rally in support of Gov. Rick Scott; Satanic Temple spokesman says founder to speak at rally outside Scott's office'', Jan. 14, 2013</ref>

			Further mock protests would follow, including the "Pink Mass", which took aim at the anti-LGBT+ practices of the Westboro Baptist Church,<ref>https://www.huffpost.com/entry/pink-mass-westboro-baptist-church-gay-satanists_n_3616642</ref> and the construction of a Baphomet monument in Detroit to compete with a 10 Commandments monument located on the grounds of the Oklahoma State Capitol.<ref>https://time.com/3972713/detroit-satanic-statue-baphomet/</ref><ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments_Monument_(Oklahoma_City)</ref> The monument was later relocated to a newly-purchased headquarters in Salem, MA in 2016 for permanent display to the public [citation needed], then briefly relocated again to compete with another 10 Commandments monument in Arkansas.<ref>https://apnews.com/article/1dfef6715487416eadfd08f36c7dbb4b</ref>

	Further protest actions of The Satanic Temple revolve entirely around [[The Grey Faction]].		Further protest actions of The Satanic Temple revolve entirely around [[The Grey Faction]].

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	In 2018, the comments resurfaced as part of a broader schism between Misicko, Cevin Soling, and some other members high-ranking members on the one side and numerous local chapter leaders and members on the other, and many chapters chose to sever connections with TST that year.<ref>https://medium.com/@SistersSatanic/rise-decline-and-fall-my-time-in-the-satanic-temple-and-beyond-561f1ef04039</ref><ref>https://jezebel.com/the-satanic-temple-is-engulfed-in-a-civil-war-over-a-de-1828130997</ref><ref>https://medium.com/@Darth_Manu/my-take-on-lucien-greaves-antisemitic-rant-78ae9d13a532</ref>		In 2018, the comments resurfaced as part of a broader schism between Misicko, Cevin Soling, and some other members high-ranking members on the one side and numerous local chapter leaders and members on the other, and many chapters chose to sever connections with TST that year.<ref>https://medium.com/@SistersSatanic/rise-decline-and-fall-my-time-in-the-satanic-temple-and-beyond-561f1ef04039</ref><ref>https://jezebel.com/the-satanic-temple-is-engulfed-in-a-civil-war-over-a-de-1828130997</ref><ref>https://medium.com/@Darth_Manu/my-take-on-lucien-greaves-antisemitic-rant-78ae9d13a532</ref>

	== ~~Feuds regarding child abuse claims~~ ==		== Actions in regards to dissociation and "false" memory ==
	By the mid-2000s, Misicko had begun an (apparently ongoing) feud with self-described survivor and researcher of ritual abuse and mind control Neil Brick. <ref>https://neilbrick.com/articles/douglas-misicko-alias-douglas-mesner/</ref> This mostly revolved around the non-existence of Satanic ritual abuse, which is now commonly agreed to have been a panic. However, Misicko also took aim at people who claimed to have only understood as adults that they'd been abused as children, leading to work with the controversial and now-defunct False Memory Syndrome Foundation (FMSF).<ref>''The Satanic Temple, a religious group with chapters in 21 states, has a vocal false-memory subgroup called the Grey Faction. The temple’s co-founder, a 43-year-old man named Doug Misicko (who uses the pseudonym Lucien Greaves), earns a living creating content for 1,097 fans on Patreon. If the FMSF are the genteel, gray-haired grandparents, the Grey Faction are their online, cult-obsessed sons.'' [https://www.thecut.com/article/false-memory-syndrome-controversy.html TheCut.com], The Memory War: Jennifer Freyd accused her father of sexual abuse. Her parents’ attempt to discredit her created a defense for countless sex offenders.'', Jan. 6, 2021</ref><ref>[https://www.patheos.com/blogs/feastofeden/2014/05/harvard-can-do-better-than-give-a-platform-to-a-black-mass-promoter-who-ridicules-sex-abuse-victims/ Patheos.com], "Harvard can do better than give a platform to a 'Black Mass' promoter who ridicules sex abuse victims" ''More Internet searching shows Greaves, as Doug Mesner, works closely with the False Memory Syndrome Foundation, which was founded by Pamela and Peter Freyd after their adult daughter Jennifer accused her father of rape. ... One of the organization’s founding members, the late Ralph Underwager, gave a lengthy interview to a pro-pedophilia journal in the 1990s in which he criticized pedophiles for not being “bold enough.” Underwager said, “Pedophiles can make the assertion that the pursuit of intimacy and love is what they choose. With boldness they can say, ‘I believe this is in fact part of God’s will.'”''</ref> <ref> ''Originally named Doug Misicko, Mr. Greaves has a long history of close involvement with the “false-memory syndrome” foundation, a group that often downplays the ramifications of sexual-abuse and actively denies victims true support.'' [https://standwithharvardcatholics.wordpress.com/2014/05/12/freshmen-voice-concerns StandWithHarvardCatholics.com], "An open letter to Dean Thomas Dingman, Dean of Harvard College Freshmen"</ref> Under the apparent pseudonymous Facebook profile "Mikoto Niikura", Misicko also served as one of several administrators for the "self-monitored peer and discussion group" ''The False Memory Syndrome Action Network'' on Facebook, which was created in December 2012 and still active as of July 2021.<ref>[https://www.facebook.com/groups/541484549213928/ False Memory Syndrome Action Network], administrator [https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100027920202154 Mikoto Niikura]</ref><ref>[https://www.fmsfonline.org/?news2015update=2015NewsUpdates False Memory Syndrom Foundation Online], comment by Pamela Freyd and J. Bean: ''The social media group "The False Memory Syndrome Action Network" or "FMS-AN" is not a part of the FMS Foundation. It is a self-monitored peer support and discussion group.''</ref> A 2013 press release under the name "Val Riley" was sent out, critical of a scheduled Dr. Phil segment. It quoted from "Douglas Mesner", referring to him as "a freelance journalist specializing in psychiatric abuse, conspiracy theory folklores, and the on-going recovered memory controversy" and referenced an open letter to Dr. Phil that "Mesner" had written several months prior.<ref>[https://www.prweb.com/releases/2013/1/prweb10305262.htm PRWeb.com], CAMBRIDGE, MA (PRWEB) JANUARY 10, 2013, ''Dr. Phil Scheduled to Air Potentially Harmful Segment Friday, January 11, Despite Advanced Warning from Journalist''</ref><ref>[http://www.examiner.com/article/journalist-denounces-dr-phil-open-letter-a-public-mental-health-menace, Examiner.com], ''Open Letter to Dr. Phil'', Oct. 19, 2012 [https://web.archive.org/web/20121024003615/ttp://www.examiner.com/article/journalist-denounces-dr-phil-open-letter-a-public-mental-health-menace WebArchive.org]</ref> In addition to the style, all of the contact information for the press release under Riley's name was Misicko's, linking back to the Facebook forum Misicko served as admin for, his Process.org website, his Dysgenics.com website, and an abortive Twitter profile, [https://twitter.com/falsememorysynd/followers @falsememorysynd].		By the mid-2000s, Misicko had begun an (apparently ongoing) feud with self-described survivor and researcher of ritual abuse and mind control Neil Brick. <ref>https://neilbrick.com/articles/douglas-misicko-alias-douglas-mesner/</ref> This mostly revolved around the non-existence of Satanic ritual abuse, which is now commonly agreed to have been a panic. However, Misicko also took aim at people who claimed to have only understood as adults that they'd been abused as children, leading to work with the controversial and now-defunct False Memory Syndrome Foundation (FMSF).<ref>''The Satanic Temple, a religious group with chapters in 21 states, has a vocal false-memory subgroup called the Grey Faction. The temple’s co-founder, a 43-year-old man named Doug Misicko (who uses the pseudonym Lucien Greaves), earns a living creating content for 1,097 fans on Patreon. If the FMSF are the genteel, gray-haired grandparents, the Grey Faction are their online, cult-obsessed sons.'' [https://www.thecut.com/article/false-memory-syndrome-controversy.html TheCut.com], The Memory War: Jennifer Freyd accused her father of sexual abuse. Her parents’ attempt to discredit her created a defense for countless sex offenders.'', Jan. 6, 2021</ref><ref>[https://www.patheos.com/blogs/feastofeden/2014/05/harvard-can-do-better-than-give-a-platform-to-a-black-mass-promoter-who-ridicules-sex-abuse-victims/ Patheos.com], "Harvard can do better than give a platform to a 'Black Mass' promoter who ridicules sex abuse victims" ''More Internet searching shows Greaves, as Doug Mesner, works closely with the False Memory Syndrome Foundation, which was founded by Pamela and Peter Freyd after their adult daughter Jennifer accused her father of rape. ... One of the organization’s founding members, the late Ralph Underwager, gave a lengthy interview to a pro-pedophilia journal in the 1990s in which he criticized pedophiles for not being “bold enough.” Underwager said, “Pedophiles can make the assertion that the pursuit of intimacy and love is what they choose. With boldness they can say, ‘I believe this is in fact part of God’s will.'”''</ref> <ref> ''Originally named Doug Misicko, Mr. Greaves has a long history of close involvement with the “false-memory syndrome” foundation, a group that often downplays the ramifications of sexual-abuse and actively denies victims true support.'' [https://standwithharvardcatholics.wordpress.com/2014/05/12/freshmen-voice-concerns StandWithHarvardCatholics.com], "An open letter to Dean Thomas Dingman, Dean of Harvard College Freshmen"</ref> Under the apparent pseudonymous Facebook profile "Mikoto Niikura", Misicko also served as one of several administrators for the "self-monitored peer and discussion group" ''The False Memory Syndrome Action Network'' on Facebook, which was created in December 2012 and still active as of July 2021.<ref>[https://www.facebook.com/groups/541484549213928/ False Memory Syndrome Action Network], administrator [https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100027920202154 Mikoto Niikura]</ref><ref>[https://www.fmsfonline.org/?news2015update=2015NewsUpdates False Memory Syndrom Foundation Online], comment by Pamela Freyd and J. Bean: ''The social media group "The False Memory Syndrome Action Network" or "FMS-AN" is not a part of the FMS Foundation. It is a self-monitored peer support and discussion group.''</ref> A 2013 press release under the name "Val Riley" was sent out, critical of a scheduled Dr. Phil segment. It quoted from "Douglas Mesner", referring to him as "a freelance journalist specializing in psychiatric abuse, conspiracy theory folklores, and the on-going recovered memory controversy" and referenced an open letter to Dr. Phil that "Mesner" had written several months prior.<ref>[https://www.prweb.com/releases/2013/1/prweb10305262.htm PRWeb.com], CAMBRIDGE, MA (PRWEB) JANUARY 10, 2013, ''Dr. Phil Scheduled to Air Potentially Harmful Segment Friday, January 11, Despite Advanced Warning from Journalist''</ref><ref>[http://www.examiner.com/article/journalist-denounces-dr-phil-open-letter-a-public-mental-health-menace, Examiner.com], ''Open Letter to Dr. Phil'', Oct. 19, 2012 [https://web.archive.org/web/20121024003615/ttp://www.examiner.com/article/journalist-denounces-dr-phil-open-letter-a-public-mental-health-menace WebArchive.org]</ref> In addition to the style, all of the contact information for the press release under Riley's name was Misicko's, linking back to the Facebook forum Misicko served as admin for, his Process.org website, his Dysgenics.com website, and an abortive Twitter profile, [https://twitter.com/falsememorysynd/followers @falsememorysynd].

	[[The Grey Faction]], a sub-project of The Satanic Temple, has continued such work toward Misicko's interests in this area.<ref>https://danielkbuntovnik.wordpress.com/2019/04/20/the-frontman-douglas-misicko-better-known-as-lucien-greaves-and-doug-mesner/</ref> According to David Shurter, another self-described ritual abuse survivor Misicko has feuded with since at least 2015, Misicko has also used the Facebook pseudonym "Konrad Josefsson" to continue engaging with him.<ref>https://davidshurter.com/2016/05/26/6289/</ref>, as well as to tell others why Complex PTSD is beneath his contempt<ref>https://imgur.com/a/SVd4gvU</ref>.		According to David Shurter, another self-described ritual abuse survivor Misicko has feuded with since at least 2015, Misicko has also used the Facebook pseudonym "Konrad Josefsson" to continue engaging with him.<ref>https://davidshurter.com/2016/05/26/6289/</ref>, as well as to tell others why Complex PTSD is beneath his contempt<ref>https://imgur.com/a/SVd4gvU</ref>.

	In his July 2013 "interview" with Bugbee, Misicko would describe this work as central to the work of The Satanic Temple as well<ref>https://www.vice.com/en/article/4w7adn/unmasking-lucien-greaves-aka-doug-mesner-leader-of-the-satanic-temple</ref>:		In his July 2013 "interview" with Bugbee, Misicko would describe this work as central to the work of The Satanic Temple as well<ref>https://www.vice.com/en/article/4w7adn/unmasking-lucien-greaves-aka-doug-mesner-leader-of-the-satanic-temple</ref>:
	<blockquote>Innocent people have been convicted and imprisoned on the “evidence” of recovered memory testimony, even though this is the exact same “evidence” we have for alien abduction, and is the same “therapeutic” process by which people practice “past life regression.” I have a long and complex body of writing, much of which can be read at www.process.org, where I detail in a number of articles how this cult-like therapy subculture continues to ruin the lives of innocent people. So one of my own goals is to destroy this harmful pseudoscientific practice, and dispel the myth of an international Satanic conspiracy. The broader goal of the Satanic Temple in general is to advocate for all of those who are unjustly maligned, demonized, or marginalized—victimized by conspiracy theorists and dogmatic supernaturalists.</blockquote>		<blockquote>Innocent people have been convicted and imprisoned on the “evidence” of recovered memory testimony, even though this is the exact same “evidence” we have for alien abduction, and is the same “therapeutic” process by which people practice “past life regression.” I have a long and complex body of writing, much of which can be read at www.process.org, where I detail in a number of articles how this cult-like therapy subculture continues to ruin the lives of innocent people. So one of my own goals is to destroy this harmful pseudoscientific practice, and dispel the myth of an international Satanic conspiracy. The broader goal of the Satanic Temple in general is to advocate for all of those who are unjustly maligned, demonized, or marginalized—victimized by conspiracy theorists and dogmatic supernaturalists.</blockquote>[[The Grey Faction]], a sub-project of The Satanic Temple, has continued such work toward Misicko's interests in this area.<ref>https://danielkbuntovnik.wordpress.com/2019/04/20/the-frontman-douglas-misicko-better-known-as-lucien-greaves-and-doug-mesner/</ref> this work expanded Misicko's targets to not only those who have "false memory", but those who have dissociative disorders, experience dissociation or repression of any kind, and those who come to terms with abuse later in life.

	== The Satanic Temple ==		== The Satanic Temple ==

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Public Financial History: updated to new wikitable format

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	==Public Financial History==		==Public Financial History==
	From 2013 to 2017, donations were solicited for The Satanic Temple on IndieGoGo through an account under Lucien Greaves' name.		From 2013 to 2017, donations were solicited for The Satanic Temple on IndieGoGo through an account under Lucien Greaves' name.
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	== References ==		== References ==
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	'''Douglas Alexander Misicko''', born August 1975, also known by the pseudonyms '''Lucien Greaves''' and '''Douglas Mesner''', and perhaps others, is the co-founder of [[The Satanic Temple]], which he owns jointly with [[Cevin Soling]]. Misicko also solely owns [[The Satanic Temple Inc]].		'''Douglas Alexander Misicko''', born August 1975, also known by the pseudonyms '''Lucien Greaves''' and '''Douglas Mesner''', and perhaps others, is the co-founder of [[The Satanic Temple]], which he owns jointly with [[Cevin Soling]]. Misicko also solely owns [[The Satanic Temple Inc]].

	Misicko claims to have studied neuroscience with a specialty in false-memory syndrome and graduated from Harvard University at some point.<ref>https://www.metrotimes.com/detroit/lucien-greaves-of-the-satanic-temple/Content?oid=2201492</ref>		Misicko claims to have studied neuroscience with a specialty in false-memory syndrome and graduated from Harvard University at some point.<ref>[https://www.metrotimes.com/detroit/lucien-greaves-of-the-satanic-temple/Content?oid=2201492 Detroit Metro Times], ''Spokesperson for the Satanic Temple was born and raised in Detroit'', "We first met Mesner on a chilly night in Cambridge, Mass. He had already graduated from Harvard University." </ref>

	Sometime before 2002, Misicko began using the pseudonym "Mesner". He also befriended Church of Satan member Shane Bugbee, who ran an independent press. Together they worked on a new edition of the virulently antisemitic, misogynistic, and white supremacist proto-fascist work ''[[Might Is Right]]'', which had formed the basis of the first section of Anton LaVey's book ''The Satanic Bible''.		Sometime before 2002, Misicko began using the pseudonym "Mesner". He also befriended Church of Satan member Shane Bugbee, who ran an independent press. Together they worked on a new edition of the virulently antisemitic, misogynistic, and white supremacist proto-fascist work ''[[Might Is Right]]'', which had formed the basis of the first section of Anton LaVey's book ''The Satanic Bible''.
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	=="Might Is Right" stream==		=="Might Is Right" stream==
	Misicko, as Doug Mesner, illustrated a reprinting of the 19th-century proto-fascist work ''Might Is Right'' by Arthur Desmond.<ref>https://www.vice.com/en/article/4w7adn/unmasking-lucien-greaves-aka-doug-mesner-leader-of-the-satanic-temple</ref><ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20200924095318/https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Might-Is-Right-or-The-Survival-of-the-Fittest-by-Ragnar-Redbeard-Bugbee-21-/263591786467</ref>		Misicko, as Doug Mesner, illustrated a reprinting of the 19th-century proto-fascist work ''Might Is Right'' by Arthur Desmond.<ref>[https://www.vice.com/en/article/4w7adn/unmasking-lucien-greaves-aka-doug-mesner-leader-of-the-satanic-temple Vice.com], "Unmasking Lucien Greaves, Leader of the Satanic Temple", July 30, 2013</ref><ref>[https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Might-Is-Right-or-The-Survival-of-the-Fittest-by-Ragnar-Redbeard-Bugbee-21-/263591786467 Ebay.com], "Rare Might Is Right or The Survival of the Fittest by Ragnar Redbeard Bugbee #21" ([https://web.archive.org/web/20200924095318/https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Might-Is-Right-or-The-Survival-of-the-Fittest-by-Ragnar-Redbeard-Bugbee-21-/263591786467 Web.Archive.org])</ref>

	On Sept. 11, 2003, they put on [[Might Is Right 24-Hour Radio Special\|a 24-hour Internet stream]] with Bugbee's spouse Amy Stocky Bugbee to celebrate the book's release and talk about wide-ranging subjects such as the problem with evangelicals and where Timothy McVeigh did or did not go wrong. They interviewed white supremacists Tom Metzger and George Burdi as well as Church of Satan High Priest Peter H. Gilmore.<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20181129054517/http://www.shanebugbee.com/?p=916</ref><ref name=":0">https://archive.org/details/MightIsRightSpecial</ref>		On Sept. 11, 2003, they put on [[Might Is Right 24-Hour Radio Special\|a 24-hour Internet stream]] with Bugbee's spouse Amy Stocky Bugbee to celebrate the book's release and talk about wide-ranging subjects such as the problem with evangelicals and where Timothy McVeigh did or did not go wrong. They interviewed white supremacists Tom Metzger and George Burdi as well as Church of Satan High Priest Peter H. Gilmore.<ref>[http://www.shanebugbee.com/?p=916 ShaneBugbee.com], "AUDIO: might Is might 24 hr radio special", with images of the studio ([https://web.archive.org/web/20181129054517/http://www.shanebugbee.com/?p=916 Web.Archive.org])</ref><ref name=":0">https://archive.org/details/MightIsRightSpecial</ref>

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	In response to a listener's comment about the Nazis ruining the idea of Social Darwinism and eugenics in popular culture, at 3:31:05 into the stream<ref name=":0" />, Misicko would infamously say:<blockquote>Threw the baby out with the bathwater, so to speak. It’s just like, ‘antisemitic’ to me isn’t a bad word. It just depends. Like, I think it’s okay to hate Jews if you hate them because they’re Jewish and they wear a stupid fucking frisbee on their head and walk around thinking they’re God’s chosen people.<ref>~~https://web.archive.org/web/20181122091306/~~https://www.videosprout.com/video?id=98aafea9-df67-416d-998d-46348a626005</ref></blockquote>Misicko then clarified that it’s not okay to hate non-practicing Jews who only have "Jewish blood", however, leading Bugbee and Stocky to disagree while making increasingly aggressive claims about not liking anyone with a drop of Jewish blood as well as arguing about who and how many actually died in the Holocaust.		In response to a listener's comment about the Nazis ruining the idea of Social Darwinism and eugenics in popular culture, at 3:31:05 into the stream<ref name=":0" />, Misicko would infamously say:<blockquote>Threw the baby out with the bathwater, so to speak. It’s just like, ‘antisemitic’ to me isn’t a bad word. It just depends. Like, I think it’s okay to hate Jews if you hate them because they’re Jewish and they wear a stupid fucking frisbee on their head and walk around thinking they’re God’s chosen people.<ref>[https://www.videosprout.com/video?id=98aafea9-df67-416d-998d-46348a626005 VideoSprout.com], clip from [[Might Is Right 24-Hour Radio Special]]</ref></blockquote>Misicko then clarified that it’s not okay to hate non-practicing Jews who only have "Jewish blood", however, leading Bugbee and Stocky to disagree while making increasingly aggressive claims about not liking anyone with a drop of Jewish blood as well as arguing about who and how many actually died in the Holocaust.

	When directly asked if he was Jewish himself, Misicko also replied, “I’m an Aryan king!”		When directly asked if he was Jewish himself, Misicko also replied, “I’m an Aryan king!”
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	== Feuds regarding child abuse claims ==		== Feuds regarding child abuse claims ==
	By the mid-2000s, Misicko had begun an (apparently ongoing) feud with self-described survivor and researcher of ritual abuse and mind control Neil Brick. <ref>https://neilbrick.com/articles/douglas-misicko-alias-douglas-mesner/</ref> This mostly revolved around the non-existence of Satanic ritual abuse, which is now commonly agreed to have been a panic. However, Misicko also took aim at people who claimed to have only understood as adults that they'd been abused as children, leading to work with the controversial and now-defunct False Memory Syndrome Foundation (FMSF).<ref>''The Satanic Temple, a religious group with chapters in 21 states, has a vocal false-memory subgroup called the Grey Faction. The temple’s co-founder, a 43-year-old man named Doug Misicko (who uses the pseudonym Lucien Greaves), earns a living creating content for 1,097 fans on Patreon. If the FMSF are the genteel, gray-haired grandparents, the Grey Faction are their online, cult-obsessed sons.'' https://www.thecut.com/article/false-memory-syndrome-controversy.html</ref><ref>''More Internet searching shows Greaves, as Doug Mesner, works closely with the False Memory Syndrome Foundation, which was founded by Pamela and Peter Freyd after their adult daughter Jennifer accused her father of rape. ... One of the organization’s founding members, the late Ralph Underwager, gave a lengthy interview to a pro-pedophilia journal in the 1990s in which he criticized pedophiles for not being “bold enough.” Underwager said, “Pedophiles can make the assertion that the pursuit of intimacy and love is what they choose. With boldness they can say, ‘I believe this is in fact part of God’s will.'”'' ~~https://www.patheos.com/blogs/feastofeden/2014/05/harvard-can-do-better-than-give-a-platform-to-a-black-mass-promoter-who-ridicules-sex-abuse-victims/~~</ref> <ref> ''Originally named Doug Misicko, Mr. Greaves has a long history of close involvement with the “false-memory syndrome” foundation, a group that often downplays the ramifications of sexual-abuse and actively denies victims true support.'' https://standwithharvardcatholics.wordpress.com/2014/05/12/freshmen-voice-concerns/</ref> Under the apparent pseudonymous Facebook profile "Mikoto Niikura", Misicko also served as one of several administrators for the "self-monitored peer and discussion group" ''The False Memory Syndrome Action Network'' on Facebook, which was created in December 2012 and still active as of July 2021.<ref>[https://www.facebook.com/groups/541484549213928/ False Memory Syndrome Action Network], administrator [https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100027920202154 Mikoto Niikura]</ref><ref>[https://www.fmsfonline.org/?news2015update=2015NewsUpdates False Memory Syndrom Foundation Online], comment by Pamela Freyd and J. Bean: ''The social media group "The False Memory Syndrome Action Network" or "FMS-AN" is not a part of the FMS Foundation. It is a self-monitored peer support and discussion group.''</ref>		By the mid-2000s, Misicko had begun an (apparently ongoing) feud with self-described survivor and researcher of ritual abuse and mind control Neil Brick. <ref>https://neilbrick.com/articles/douglas-misicko-alias-douglas-mesner/</ref> This mostly revolved around the non-existence of Satanic ritual abuse, which is now commonly agreed to have been a panic. However, Misicko also took aim at people who claimed to have only understood as adults that they'd been abused as children, leading to work with the controversial and now-defunct False Memory Syndrome Foundation (FMSF).<ref>''The Satanic Temple, a religious group with chapters in 21 states, has a vocal false-memory subgroup called the Grey Faction. The temple’s co-founder, a 43-year-old man named Doug Misicko (who uses the pseudonym Lucien Greaves), earns a living creating content for 1,097 fans on Patreon. If the FMSF are the genteel, gray-haired grandparents, the Grey Faction are their online, cult-obsessed sons.'' [https://www.thecut.com/article/false-memory-syndrome-controversy.html TheCut.com], The Memory War: Jennifer Freyd accused her father of sexual abuse. Her parents’ attempt to discredit her created a defense for countless sex offenders.'', Jan. 6, 2021</ref><ref>[https://www.patheos.com/blogs/feastofeden/2014/05/harvard-can-do-better-than-give-a-platform-to-a-black-mass-promoter-who-ridicules-sex-abuse-victims/ Patheos.com], "Harvard can do better than give a platform to a 'Black Mass' promoter who ridicules sex abuse victims" ''More Internet searching shows Greaves, as Doug Mesner, works closely with the False Memory Syndrome Foundation, which was founded by Pamela and Peter Freyd after their adult daughter Jennifer accused her father of rape. ... One of the organization’s founding members, the late Ralph Underwager, gave a lengthy interview to a pro-pedophilia journal in the 1990s in which he criticized pedophiles for not being “bold enough.” Underwager said, “Pedophiles can make the assertion that the pursuit of intimacy and love is what they choose. With boldness they can say, ‘I believe this is in fact part of God’s will.'”''</ref> <ref> ''Originally named Doug Misicko, Mr. Greaves has a long history of close involvement with the “false-memory syndrome” foundation, a group that often downplays the ramifications of sexual-abuse and actively denies victims true support.'' [https://standwithharvardcatholics.wordpress.com/2014/05/12/freshmen-voice-concerns StandWithHarvardCatholics.com], "An open letter to Dean Thomas Dingman, Dean of Harvard College Freshmen"</ref> Under the apparent pseudonymous Facebook profile "Mikoto Niikura", Misicko also served as one of several administrators for the "self-monitored peer and discussion group" ''The False Memory Syndrome Action Network'' on Facebook, which was created in December 2012 and still active as of July 2021.<ref>[https://www.facebook.com/groups/541484549213928/ False Memory Syndrome Action Network], administrator [https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100027920202154 Mikoto Niikura]</ref><ref>[https://www.fmsfonline.org/?news2015update=2015NewsUpdates False Memory Syndrom Foundation Online], comment by Pamela Freyd and J. Bean: ''The social media group "The False Memory Syndrome Action Network" or "FMS-AN" is not a part of the FMS Foundation. It is a self-monitored peer support and discussion group.''</ref> A 2013 press release under the name "Val Riley" was sent out, critical of a scheduled Dr. Phil segment. It quoted from "Douglas Mesner", referring to him as "a freelance journalist specializing in psychiatric abuse, conspiracy theory folklores, and the on-going recovered memory controversy" and referenced an open letter to Dr. Phil that "Mesner" had written several months prior.<ref>[https://www.prweb.com/releases/2013/1/prweb10305262.htm PRWeb.com], CAMBRIDGE, MA (PRWEB) JANUARY 10, 2013, ''Dr. Phil Scheduled to Air Potentially Harmful Segment Friday, January 11, Despite Advanced Warning from Journalist''</ref><ref>[http://www.examiner.com/article/journalist-denounces-dr-phil-open-letter-a-public-mental-health-menace, Examiner.com], ''Open Letter to Dr. Phil'', Oct. 19, 2012 [https://web.archive.org/web/20121024003615/ttp://www.examiner.com/article/journalist-denounces-dr-phil-open-letter-a-public-mental-health-menace WebArchive.org]</ref> In addition to the style, all of the contact information for the press release under Riley's name was Misicko's, linking back to the Facebook forum Misicko served as admin for, his Process.org website, his Dysgenics.com website, and an abortive Twitter profile, [https://twitter.com/falsememorysynd/followers @falsememorysynd].

	[[The Grey Faction]], a sub-project of The Satanic Temple, has continued such work toward Misicko's interests in this area.<ref>https://danielkbuntovnik.wordpress.com/2019/04/20/the-frontman-douglas-misicko-better-known-as-lucien-greaves-and-doug-mesner/</ref> According to David Shurter, another self-described ritual abuse survivor Misicko has feuded with since at least 2015, Misicko has also used the Facebook pseudonym "Konrad Josefsson" to continue engaging with him.<ref>https://davidshurter.com/2016/05/26/6289/</ref>, as well as to tell others why Complex PTSD is beneath his contempt<ref>https://imgur.com/a/SVd4gvU</ref>.		[[The Grey Faction]], a sub-project of The Satanic Temple, has continued such work toward Misicko's interests in this area.<ref>https://danielkbuntovnik.wordpress.com/2019/04/20/the-frontman-douglas-misicko-better-known-as-lucien-greaves-and-doug-mesner/</ref> According to David Shurter, another self-described ritual abuse survivor Misicko has feuded with since at least 2015, Misicko has also used the Facebook pseudonym "Konrad Josefsson" to continue engaging with him.<ref>https://davidshurter.com/2016/05/26/6289/</ref>, as well as to tell others why Complex PTSD is beneath his contempt<ref>https://imgur.com/a/SVd4gvU</ref>.

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	'''Douglas Alexander Misicko''', born 1975, also known by the pseudonyms '''Lucien Greaves''' and '''Douglas Mesner''', and perhaps others, is the co-founder of [[The Satanic Temple]], which he owns jointly with [[Cevin Soling]]. Misicko also solely owns [[The Satanic Temple Inc]].		'''Douglas Alexander Misicko''', born August 1975, also known by the pseudonyms '''Lucien Greaves''' and '''Douglas Mesner''', and perhaps others, is the co-founder of [[The Satanic Temple]], which he owns jointly with [[Cevin Soling]]. Misicko also solely owns [[The Satanic Temple Inc]].

	Misicko claims to have studied neuroscience with a specialty in false-memory syndrome and graduated from Harvard University at some point.<ref>https://www.metrotimes.com/detroit/lucien-greaves-of-the-satanic-temple/Content?oid=2201492</ref>		Misicko claims to have studied neuroscience with a specialty in false-memory syndrome and graduated from Harvard University at some point.<ref>https://www.metrotimes.com/detroit/lucien-greaves-of-the-satanic-temple/Content?oid=2201492</ref>
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	== Feuds regarding child abuse claims ==		== Feuds regarding child abuse claims ==
	By the mid-2000s, Misicko had begun an (apparently ongoing) feud with self-described survivor and researcher of ritual abuse and mind control Neil Brick. <ref>https://neilbrick.com/articles/douglas-misicko-alias-douglas-mesner/</ref> This mostly revolved around the non-existence of Satanic ritual abuse, which is now commonly agreed to have been a panic. However, Misicko also took aim at people who claimed to have only understood as adults that they'd been abused as children, leading to work with the controversial and now-defunct False Memory Syndrome Foundation (FMSF) <ref>''The Satanic Temple, a religious group with chapters in 21 states, has a vocal false-memory subgroup called the Grey Faction. The temple’s co-founder, a 43-year-old man named Doug Misicko (who uses the pseudonym Lucien Greaves), earns a living creating content for 1,097 fans on Patreon. If the FMSF are the genteel, gray-haired grandparents, the Grey Faction are their online, cult-obsessed sons.'' https://www.thecut.com/article/false-memory-syndrome-controversy.html</ref> <ref>''More Internet searching shows Greaves, as Doug Mesner, works closely with the False Memory Syndrome Foundation, which was founded by Pamela and Peter Freyd after their adult daughter Jennifer accused her father of rape. ... One of the organization’s founding members, the late Ralph Underwager, gave a lengthy interview to a pro-pedophilia journal in the 1990s in which he criticized pedophiles for not being “bold enough.” Underwager said, “Pedophiles can make the assertion that the pursuit of intimacy and love is what they choose. With boldness they can say, ‘I believe this is in fact part of God’s will.'”'' https://www.patheos.com/blogs/feastofeden/2014/05/harvard-can-do-better-than-give-a-platform-to-a-black-mass-promoter-who-ridicules-sex-abuse-victims/</ref> <ref> ''Originally named Doug Misicko, Mr. Greaves has a long history of close involvement with the “false-memory syndrome” foundation, a group that often downplays the ramifications of sexual-abuse and actively denies victims true support.'' https://standwithharvardcatholics.wordpress.com/2014/05/12/freshmen-voice-concerns/</ref> .		By the mid-2000s, Misicko had begun an (apparently ongoing) feud with self-described survivor and researcher of ritual abuse and mind control Neil Brick. <ref>https://neilbrick.com/articles/douglas-misicko-alias-douglas-mesner/</ref> This mostly revolved around the non-existence of Satanic ritual abuse, which is now commonly agreed to have been a panic. However, Misicko also took aim at people who claimed to have only understood as adults that they'd been abused as children, leading to work with the controversial and now-defunct False Memory Syndrome Foundation (FMSF).<ref>''The Satanic Temple, a religious group with chapters in 21 states, has a vocal false-memory subgroup called the Grey Faction. The temple’s co-founder, a 43-year-old man named Doug Misicko (who uses the pseudonym Lucien Greaves), earns a living creating content for 1,097 fans on Patreon. If the FMSF are the genteel, gray-haired grandparents, the Grey Faction are their online, cult-obsessed sons.'' https://www.thecut.com/article/false-memory-syndrome-controversy.html</ref><ref>''More Internet searching shows Greaves, as Doug Mesner, works closely with the False Memory Syndrome Foundation, which was founded by Pamela and Peter Freyd after their adult daughter Jennifer accused her father of rape. ... One of the organization’s founding members, the late Ralph Underwager, gave a lengthy interview to a pro-pedophilia journal in the 1990s in which he criticized pedophiles for not being “bold enough.” Underwager said, “Pedophiles can make the assertion that the pursuit of intimacy and love is what they choose. With boldness they can say, ‘I believe this is in fact part of God’s will.'”'' https://www.patheos.com/blogs/feastofeden/2014/05/harvard-can-do-better-than-give-a-platform-to-a-black-mass-promoter-who-ridicules-sex-abuse-victims/</ref> <ref> ''Originally named Doug Misicko, Mr. Greaves has a long history of close involvement with the “false-memory syndrome” foundation, a group that often downplays the ramifications of sexual-abuse and actively denies victims true support.'' https://standwithharvardcatholics.wordpress.com/2014/05/12/freshmen-voice-concerns/</ref> Under the apparent pseudonymous Facebook profile "Mikoto Niikura", Misicko also served as one of several administrators for the "self-monitored peer and discussion group" ''The False Memory Syndrome Action Network'' on Facebook, which was created in December 2012 and still active as of July 2021.<ref>[https://www.facebook.com/groups/541484549213928/ False Memory Syndrome Action Network], administrator [https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100027920202154 Mikoto Niikura]</ref><ref>[https://www.fmsfonline.org/?news2015update=2015NewsUpdates False Memory Syndrom Foundation Online], comment by Pamela Freyd and J. Bean: ''The social media group "The False Memory Syndrome Action Network" or "FMS-AN" is not a part of the FMS Foundation. It is a self-monitored peer support and discussion group.''</ref>

	[[The Grey Faction]], a sub-project of The Satanic Temple, has continued such work toward Misicko's interests in this area.<ref>https://danielkbuntovnik.wordpress.com/2019/04/20/the-frontman-douglas-misicko-better-known-as-lucien-greaves-and-doug-mesner/</ref> According to David Shurter, another self-described ritual abuse survivor Misicko has feuded with since at least 2015, Misicko has also used the Facebook pseudonym "Konrad Josefsson" to continue engaging with him.<ref>https://davidshurter.com/2016/05/26/6289/</ref>, as well as to tell others why Complex PTSD is beneath his contempt<ref>https://imgur.com/a/SVd4gvU</ref>.		[[The Grey Faction]], a sub-project of The Satanic Temple, has continued such work toward Misicko's interests in this area.<ref>https://danielkbuntovnik.wordpress.com/2019/04/20/the-frontman-douglas-misicko-better-known-as-lucien-greaves-and-doug-mesner/</ref> According to David Shurter, another self-described ritual abuse survivor Misicko has feuded with since at least 2015, Misicko has also used the Facebook pseudonym "Konrad Josefsson" to continue engaging with him.<ref>https://davidshurter.com/2016/05/26/6289/</ref>, as well as to tell others why Complex PTSD is beneath his contempt<ref>https://imgur.com/a/SVd4gvU</ref>.

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 ==Flat Earth Books==
 Under the name "Doug Mesner", Misicko wrote at least five books about Flat Earth theory, per GoodReads.com:<ref>[https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/14528814.Doug_Mesner GoodReads.com], author "Doug Mesner". An additional book, "The Satan Hunter: Volume 1" appears to have unrelated subject matter as a fiction novel.</ref>
-* Flat Talk: Talking To Your Loved Ones About Flat Earth Theory
+*Flat Talk: Talking To Your Loved Ones About Flat Earth Theory<ref>[https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/27853992-flat-talk Flat Talk: Talking To Your Loved Ones About Flat Earth Theory]
-* Suddenly Flat: How I Became a Flat Earther
+:Published: Sep. 19, 2015 (32 pages)
-* The Globe Delusion: It's Time To Talk About Flat Earth
+:ASIN: B015LW2UO0
-* The Flat Earth Revolution
+:Synopsis:
-* The Flat Earth Revolution: The World's First Flat Earth Novel (possible duplicate)
+::''If you've advanced beyond the Ball Earth deception and are searching for the truth, then this book will an invaluable asset in your pursuit of rational dialogue with those who haven't ventured to the edge of their own paradigms and inspected the foundations of their own worldviews.
-* Flat Earth in Three Minutes: Breaking the Spell of Globe Belief
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			==Flat Earth Books==
			Under the name "Doug Mesner", Misicko wrote at least five books about Flat Earth theory, per GoodReads.com:<ref>[https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/14528814.Doug_Mesner GoodReads.com], author "Doug Mesner". An additional book, "The Satan Hunter: Volume 1" appears to have unrelated subject matter as a fiction novel.</ref>
			* Flat Talk: Talking To Your Loved Ones About Flat Earth Theory
			* Suddenly Flat: How I Became a Flat Earther
			* The Globe Delusion: It's Time To Talk About Flat Earth
			* The Flat Earth Revolution
			* The Flat Earth Revolution: The World's First Flat Earth Novel (possible duplicate)
			* Flat Earth in Three Minutes: Breaking the Spell of Globe Belief

	=="Might Is Right" stream==		=="Might Is Right" stream==

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	=="Might Is Right" stream==		=="Might Is Right" stream==
	Misicko, as Doug Mesner, illustrated a reprinting of the 19th century proto-fascist work ''Might Is Right'' by Arthur Desmond.<ref>https://www.vice.com/en/article/4w7adn/unmasking-lucien-greaves-aka-doug-mesner-leader-of-the-satanic-temple</ref><ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20200924095318/https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Might-Is-Right-or-The-Survival-of-the-Fittest-by-Ragnar-Redbeard-Bugbee-21-/263591786467</ref>		Misicko, as Doug Mesner, illustrated a reprinting of the 19th-century proto-fascist work ''Might Is Right'' by Arthur Desmond.<ref>https://www.vice.com/en/article/4w7adn/unmasking-lucien-greaves-aka-doug-mesner-leader-of-the-satanic-temple</ref><ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20200924095318/https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Might-Is-Right-or-The-Survival-of-the-Fittest-by-Ragnar-Redbeard-Bugbee-21-/263591786467</ref>

	On Sept. 11, 2003, they put on a 24-hour Internet stream with Bugbee's spouse Amy Stocky Bugbee to celebrate the book's release and talk about wide-ranging subjects such as the problem with evangelicals and where Timothy McVeigh did or did not go wrong. They interviewed white supremacists Tom Metzger and George Burdi as well as Church of Satan High Priest Peter H. Gilmore.<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20181129054517/http://www.shanebugbee.com/?p=916</ref><ref name=":0">https://archive.org/details/MightIsRightSpecial</ref>		On Sept. 11, 2003, they put on [[Might Is Right 24-Hour Radio Special\|a 24-hour Internet stream]] with Bugbee's spouse Amy Stocky Bugbee to celebrate the book's release and talk about wide-ranging subjects such as the problem with evangelicals and where Timothy McVeigh did or did not go wrong. They interviewed white supremacists Tom Metzger and George Burdi as well as Church of Satan High Priest Peter H. Gilmore.<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20181129054517/http://www.shanebugbee.com/?p=916</ref><ref name=":0">https://archive.org/details/MightIsRightSpecial</ref>

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	In response to a listener's comment about the Nazis ruining the idea of Social Darwinism and eugenics in popular culture, at 3:31:05 into the stream<ref name=":0" />, Misicko would infamously say:<blockquote>Threw the baby out with the bathwater, so to speak. It’s just like, ‘antisemitic’ to me isn’t a bad word. It just depends. Like, I think it’s okay to hate Jews if you hate them because they’re Jewish and they wear a stupid fucking frisbee on their head and walk around thinking they’re God’s chosen people.<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20181122091306/https://www.videosprout.com/video?id=98aafea9-df67-416d-998d-46348a626005</ref></blockquote>Misicko then clarified that it’s not okay to hate non-practicing Jews who only have "Jewish blood", however, leading Bugbee and Stocky to disagree while making increasingly aggressive claims about not liking anyone with a drop of Jewish blood as well as arguing about who and how many actually died in the Holocaust.		In response to a listener's comment about the Nazis ruining the idea of Social Darwinism and eugenics in popular culture, at 3:31:05 into the stream<ref name=":0" />, Misicko would infamously say:<blockquote>Threw the baby out with the bathwater, so to speak. It’s just like, ‘antisemitic’ to me isn’t a bad word. It just depends. Like, I think it’s okay to hate Jews if you hate them because they’re Jewish and they wear a stupid fucking frisbee on their head and walk around thinking they’re God’s chosen people.<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20181122091306/https://www.videosprout.com/video?id=98aafea9-df67-416d-998d-46348a626005</ref></blockquote>Misicko then clarified that it’s not okay to hate non-practicing Jews who only have "Jewish blood", however, leading Bugbee and Stocky to disagree while making increasingly aggressive claims about not liking anyone with a drop of Jewish blood as well as arguing about who and how many actually died in the Holocaust.
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	In 2018, the comments resurfaced as part of a broader schism between Misicko, Cevin Soling, and some other members high-ranking members on the one side and numerous local chapter leaders and members on the other, and many chapters chose to sever connections with TST that year.<ref>https://medium.com/@SistersSatanic/rise-decline-and-fall-my-time-in-the-satanic-temple-and-beyond-561f1ef04039</ref><ref>https://jezebel.com/the-satanic-temple-is-engulfed-in-a-civil-war-over-a-de-1828130997</ref><ref>https://medium.com/@Darth_Manu/my-take-on-lucien-greaves-antisemitic-rant-78ae9d13a532</ref>		In 2018, the comments resurfaced as part of a broader schism between Misicko, Cevin Soling, and some other members high-ranking members on the one side and numerous local chapter leaders and members on the other, and many chapters chose to sever connections with TST that year.<ref>https://medium.com/@SistersSatanic/rise-decline-and-fall-my-time-in-the-satanic-temple-and-beyond-561f1ef04039</ref><ref>https://jezebel.com/the-satanic-temple-is-engulfed-in-a-civil-war-over-a-de-1828130997</ref><ref>https://medium.com/@Darth_Manu/my-take-on-lucien-greaves-antisemitic-rant-78ae9d13a532</ref>

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